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		<title>Spiritual Atheism: Good Idea With a Bad Label?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[There&#8217;s no question that one of the challenges we atheists face is to show that life is not empty and meaningless without God. For some odd reason, believers have a hard time believing that &#8211; without God &#8211;  we&#8217;re not here merely to survive, but to really live and affirm the awesomeness of existing. You don&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s no question that one of the challenges we atheists face is to show that life is not empty and meaningless without God. For some odd reason, believers have a hard time believing that &#8211; without God &#8211;  we&#8217;re not here merely to survive, but to really <em>live </em>and affirm the awesomeness of existing.</p>
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<p>You don&#8217;t have to look far to find <a title="Spiritual Atheism" href="http://www.spiritualatheism.com/">websites</a>, <a title="Spiritual Atheist Bloggers" href="http://dailymull.com/807/Spiritual-Atheism">blog posts</a> and <a title="Spiritual Atheism on youtube" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2nfXfTg92E&amp;feature=player_embedded">youtube videos</a> that show atheists just as capable as any believer of feeling all the wonder, awe and majesty the universe has to offer. A run in colorful crunchy, fall leaves, or a hike up a majestic mountain with indigo sky backdrop generate the same connectedness with nature that our believing brethren so easily attribute to deities. Peering across galaxies through the eyes of Hubble give us all a feeling of grandeur, and an impression of our own insignificance that is simply beyond words.</p>
<p><a href="http://40yearoldatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Blue_butterfly_by_VictorLEM.jpeg"><img class="alignleft size-full wp-image-1164" title="Blue_butterfly_by_VictorLEM" src="http://40yearoldatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Blue_butterfly_by_VictorLEM.jpeg" alt="" width="250" height="188" /></a></p>
<p>But, in the course of trying to find those words, &#8220;spiritual&#8221; often gets called into action. Spiritual is a powerful word with no apparent equal &#8211; no seemingly adequate synonym that captures nature&#8217;s power to inspire. It&#8217;s no wonder so many of us call ourselves &#8220;Spiritual Atheists&#8221;.</p>
<p>But, in my opinion, it&#8217;s a problematic label to use because it comes loaded with religious connotation &#8211; and I think that goes directly against what we want to accomplish. No matter how hard we try, <span style="font-size: 13.1944px;">using spiritual to attach feelings of wonder, awe and amazement to our atheism is wrought with difficulty. This is because the word is not, in the minds of most, tied to nature. No, most people associate it <em>closely</em> with spirit/the Holy Spirit/God. And if that&#8217;s not enough to convince you, a quick google will show a theistic bias firmly embedded in <a title="definition of spiritual" href="http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=chrome&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;q=define:spiritual">how the word is most often defined</a>.</span></p>
<p><a href="http://40yearoldatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/icevolcano_fulle_small.jpg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1152" title="icevolcano_fulle_small" src="http://40yearoldatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/icevolcano_fulle_small.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="200" /></a></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.1944px;">Try as we might, I think these theistic connotations are impossible to avoid and, by trying to call ourselves spiritual atheists, we are setting ourselves up for a lifetime of frustration &#8211; it just muddies the waters.</span></p>
<p>With this problem in mind, I think we need to seek out a better, less religiously affiliated word.</p>
<p>I visited <a title="Skeptical Seeker's Blog" href="http://skepticalseeker.com/2009/10/22/meaningful-rather-than-spiritual/">the Skeptical Seeker&#8217;s blog</a> where I learned that, in <a title="The Atheist's Way: Living Well Without Gods by Eric Maisel" href="http://www.amazon.com/Atheists-Way-Living-Well-Without/dp/1577316428">The Atheist’s Way: Living Well without Gods</a>, Eric Maisel thinks the right word might be &#8220;meaningful&#8221;. Meaningful? Really? That word seems far too generic for me. It&#8217;s simply got too much latitude to be useful. All kinds of mundane things can be meaningful. Having a favorite color can be meaningful. Enjoying the taste of coffee can be meaningful. Reading an <a title="xkcd comics" href="http://xkcd.com/482/">xkcd comic</a> (go look &#8211; it&#8217;s a good one) can be meaningful. But do these things hold as much meaning as the awe we feel in pondering the immensity of the universe? I think not &#8230;well, except maybe in the case of xkcd comic.</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.1944px;">So, no, &#8220;meaningful&#8221; just doesn&#8217;t cut it for me.</span></p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.1944px;"><a href="http://40yearoldatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/BlueMarble1Kx1K.jpg"><img class="size-medium wp-image-865 alignleft" title="BlueMarble1Kx1K" src="http://40yearoldatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/BlueMarble1Kx1K-300x300.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="300" /></a>When challenged with this line of thinking, Christopher Hitchens likes to talk about the <a title="Christopher Hitchen the numinous" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numinous#Non-religious_usage">numinous</a>. While I can certainly see the word&#8217;s appeal (sounds kind of nummy), I think it suffers from the same issue we have with spiritual &#8211; the only difference being that most people don&#8217;t know what numinous means. However, that problem is easily remedied with <a title="definition of numinous" href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=define:numinous&amp;btnG=Search">another quick googling</a> where another theistic bias quickly becomes apparent. Do we want to try and redefine another word? Personally, I think trying to do so just seems like another headache.</span></p>
<p>So, no, I don&#8217;t care for &#8220;numinous&#8221; either.</p>
<p>But, I still think we&#8217;d benefit from a secular cousin to the word, and I think I may have found one.</p>
<p><span style="font-size: 13.1944px;">I like <a title="sublime" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sublime_(philosophy)">sublime</a>. Why? Well, <span style="font-size: 13.1944px;">because it seems to describe what we mean when we are tempted to use spiritual! The very first paragraph at wikipedia really grabs your attention by defining sublime as:</span></span></p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230;the quality of greatness or vast magnitude, whether physical, moral, intellectual, metaphysical, aesthetic, spiritual or artistic. The term especially refers to a greatness with which nothing else can be compared and which is beyond all possibility of calculation, measurement or imitation.</p></blockquote>
<p><a href="http://40yearoldatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/aurora-borealis-c117648531.jpeg"><img class="alignright size-full wp-image-1161" title="aurora borealis" src="http://40yearoldatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/aurora-borealis-c117648531.jpeg" alt="" width="288" height="425" /></a>In philosophy, the sublime gets its legs from aesthetics &#8211; <em>the branch of philosophy dealing with the nature of beauty, art, and taste, and with the creation and appreciation of beauty</em> &#8211; another <a title="aesthetics" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetics">definition from wikipedia</a>.</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t the definition of sublime fit nicely with the curious awe we often feel? Don&#8217;t we really mean that we have a <em>profound</em> appreciation for the beauty, greatness and magnitude of nature and the universe?</p>
<p>So, yeah, the sublime works for me. From now on, whenever I speak of things that strike me with a sense of wonder, awe, amazement and connectedness, I&#8217;m going to call that the sublime. And whenever I&#8217;m challenged for a secular equivalent to spiritual, I will instantly shoot back with the philosophically rich concept of the sublime. I&#8217;ll say, &#8220;Aha! You&#8217;re talking about our godlessly sublime universe!&#8221;</p>
<p>Or maybe I&#8217;ll just say nature kicks ass.</p>
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		<title>Does Majesty &amp; Wonder Have To Come From A Creator?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 06:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was in the mood last night for space stuff so I popped In the Shadow of the Moon into the DVD player. The film is a wonderful documentary (directed by Ron Howard) of the US moon landings. It begins, appropriately enough, at the beginning with John F. Kennedy&#8217;s bold challenge, and ends with the landings made [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><img class="alignleft size-medium wp-image-724" style="float:left;" title="in-the-shadow-of-the-moon" src="http://40yearoldatheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/in-the-shadow-of-the-moon-202x300.jpg" alt="in-the-shadow-of-the-moon" width="202" height="300" />I was in the mood last night for space stuff so I popped <a title="In the Shadow of the Moon" href="http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0925248/">In the Shadow of the Moon</a> into the DVD player. The film is a wonderful documentary (directed by Ron Howard) of the US moon landings. It begins, appropriately enough, at the beginning with <a title="John F. Kennedy Man on the Moon" href="http://history.nasa.gov/moondec.html">John F. Kennedy&#8217;s bold challenge</a>, and ends with the landings made by Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin and a few lesser known successors.</p>
<p>You can view the <a title="In the Shadow of the Moon" href="http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=2E00EEA7422BFE8C">entire film in 10 minute segments on youtube</a> but, before you do, I&#8217;d like to call your attention to the final segment where some of the astronauts share how their journeys changed them. The segment starts with <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oI1mEWp6fZE#t=1m50s">Eugene Cernan and Charlie Duke describing their feelings of wonder</a>, and how those feelings convinced them of God&#8217;s existence (Duke actually became a born-again Christian not long after).</p>
<p>Being a fairly recent (2 year) de-conversion to atheism, I can relate to these men. I&#8217;ve shared similar experiences of wonder and majesty &#8211; most notably while hiking in the mountains, or going for 10+ mile runs (runner&#8217;s high&#8217;ll get ya every time). And, yes, two years ago, I too would have given credit to god for those wonderful feelings.</p>
<p>However, since the de-conversion, the source of those feelings has changed, and I&#8217;ve become more and more fascinated with the seemingly universal tendency for us to attribute these emotions to a god or creator.</p>
<p>Why is this so?</p>
<p>Some think it&#8217;s connected to our affinity toward <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropomorphic">anthropomorphizing</a> &#8211; attributing human qualities to things that are not. In this case, humans create things, so we assume that the universe must also have been created by something human-like, only much more powerful.</p>
<p>Scientists who study the brain may tell you that our willingness to invoke god is connected to our ability to identify patterns. In this case, the pattern is that most everything we observe has a cause, and we extend that pattern to the assumption that the universe must also have a cause.</p>
<p>But is this correct thinking? Just because we see cause and effect around us, does that mean the same rule applied to the formation of the universe? If a god can simply exist, then why can&#8217;t a universe? Also, could the Big Bang have been preceded by a Big Crunch, and that crunch have been preceded by a different Big Bang? Might this process be cycling on eon after eon after eon?</p>
<p>And, even if the universe <em>did</em> have an external cause, why would that cause need to be an intelligence or a god? Might it just as easily be another universe, as <a title="bubble multi-universe theory" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiverse">multi-universe theory</a> proposes?</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the fact that most of us were raised by parents who told us that God created everything, and many of us grew up in churches where everyone agreed the universe was created by God. How many of those people really examine these claims from authority? After all, all those smart people couldn&#8217;t be wrong &#8211; could they?</p>
<p>I wonder, if parents stopped teaching this idea to their children, how would it take long before our sense of wonder aimed itself at the natural world instead of some unknown, undetectable entity?</p>
<p>There is a world of science awaiting those who would ask these questions. There is a world of wonder awaiting those willing to entertain the idea that maybe, God <em>didn&#8217;t</em> do it. And, in my opinion, the fact that our universe came to be without a deity makes it <em>even more</em> wondrous and majestic.</p>
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